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In an exclusive and explosive one-hour interview with Veronika Kyrylenko of The New American, pioneering mRNA scientist Dr. Robert Malone explains the intensely corrupt workings of the government regulatory bodies that have mismanaged the pandemic, discusses the problems with the vaccine program and delves into potentially explosive and game-changing revelations about the shady origins of the Covid-19 pandemic in Wuhan, China.
Who is Dr. Robert Malone? While working at the Salk Institute in 1988, Dr. Malone discovered important findings about in-vivo and in-vitro RNA transfection. He continued his work on the technology a year later at the biopharma start-up Vical where he conducted additional experiments. According to his bio, “The mRNA, constructs, reagents were developed at the Salk institute and Vical by Dr. Malone.” His research has also included important work on DNA vaccines. In addition to his fundamental work developing mRNA and DNA vaccine technology, Malone is also a medical doctor. According to his bio, Dr. Malone “received his medical training at Northwestern University (MD) and Harvard University (Clinical Research Post Graduate) medical school, and in Pathology at UC Davis.”
Few people are as qualified to comment on the course of the COVID pandemic and the mass vaccination campaign as Dr. Malone. In this important interview he shares his unique and deep insights on matters of critical national and international importance.
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Dr Robert Malone: We know that for almost everybody watching this your risk of death or hospitalization is a fraction of a fraction of one percent. You’re not gonna… for most of you there’s no way you’re going to die from this. What you will do is develop natural immunity.
Veronika Kyrylenko : In 1986, the world’s worst technogenic disaster happened when a nuclear reactor of the Chernobyl power plant exploded. As a result, hundreds of thousands of people were affected by deadly radiation. Some of them died quickly. The others suffered from various cancers, neurological and reproductive damage and so much more. Much like in the Soviet Union, people’s health is being savagely damaged here in America, right now. And much like the Communist Party, our political establishment says there is nothing to worry about. The mass vaccination against Covid, the disease that has a negligible death rate for most healthy individuals, has become nearly universal and often times mandatory. But it’s already cost people severe health implications and even death. Yet the government seems disturbingly uninterested in analyzing its own data on vaccines side effects. Instead of honest analysis of the data, it tries to employ the worst authoritarian tactics against those brave people who speak the truth and tried to warn their fellow citizens of the risks associated with the vaccines.
Today we have the privilege to get to speak with one of such outstanding people, Dr Robert Malone, an inventor of mRNA technology. One of the world’s most qualified and also the most despised professionals who shares scientific information about Covid, vaccines risks, early treatments and people who shape the pandemic response. Dr Malone, thank you very much for hosting us today. It’s a pleasure.
Dr Robert Malone : Thank you for coming and sharing the day with us.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Doctor, if you don’t mind I would like to start with some basics. So the mass vaccination campaign against Covid started in March of this year and of course most people had no idea what these vaccines are and what is the mRNA technology. So naturally they turned to official sources to find some information. So the CDC websites describes the technology like that, so it says that mRNA goes to you shoulder muscle, it stays there, it teaches our cells how to produce a part of the virus, they call it s a harmless particle, namely a spike protein of the virus that triggers the immune response. And then our cells break down mRNA and get rid of mRNA within a few days after the vaccination. And since we know that you did not participate in the development of the Covid vaccines, is it a correct description of the technology that you pioneered?
Dr Robert Malone : In general that’s pretty good, that’s a pretty accurate assessment in a very simplified way. I’m not sure about how long the RNA stays. In that statement, if that’s what they actually say, there’s no data to back that up, how long the RNA sticks around. There’s a number, obviously the statement that the spike protein is harmless is also false, demonstrably false. It’s a lie, it’s another one of the noble lies. The idea that it just stays in the arm muscle is also clearly a lie. Anybody that’s looked at the regulatory dossier for the Pfizer other products knows that this is not true. So if we were to give the benefit of the doubt, we could we could say that this is another example of kind of the logic of the benign noble lie, that we don’t tell people the full story, we tell them the simplified story that is structured in a way that makes everything sound non-threatening.
Veronika Kyrylenko : So you say that mRNA actually does not stay in the muscle. It travels further. It travels to other organs throughout the body and it has been known – and we know that a 2017 study published by the Modern Publication show that liquid nanoparticle influenza vaccine that used mRNA technology actually traveled through the body. And then the Japanese government conducted a study on Pfizer shots biodistribution and it shows that the spike protein was found in other organs in the human body. It said that included ovaries, spleen, liver. Was it not the signal for the vaccination campaign just to stop right away?
Dr Robert Malone : Okay, so I’m gonna backtrack a little bit on what you just said because it’s important that we get the details right. And what you’re referring to, I believe, is what’s called the common technical document. This is a dossier of information that is submitted to various government regulatory authorities by Pfizer. So it wasn’t the Japanese government performing a study but rather it was the Japanese regulatory authority which disclosed a Pfizer document. And the nuance there that’s important to understand is that our policies here in the United States with the FDA and with the European Medicines Agency is that those documents that are submitted by the developer of the product…
Veronika Kyrylenko : I believe that it was the study conducted by that regulatory government that found…
Dr Robert Malone : It was a Pfizer study that was submitted to the regulatory authorities and then was obtained by Byram Bridle and others. I was among the first to analyze it.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Well, thank you for clarifying that. This is very important.
Dr Robert Malone : So it’s important that it’s actually Pfizer. And what it revealed was that the regulatory authorities across the world allowed Pfizer to submit a grossly incomplete document in support of initiated clinical studies concerning the, what we call now, Comirnaty – or Comirnaty, I’m not sure how to pronounce it, the BioNTech product. So in that set of studies, what was shocking to me and many others that reviewed them – again this is a Pfizer-submitted document that became the basis for authorizing this thing to be used all over the world – is the regulatory authorities allowed Pfizer to take data the wasn’t actually developed with this vaccine, that they developed for other purposes. They didn’t meet the standard regulatory requirements for rigor, for how carefully the studies were done. It didn’t meet the norms for ensuring that the studies were done in a well-controlled fashion, which is always required for clinical trials, and they allowed Pfizer to use data that had been developed with other RNA’s in other purposes, in other formulations – it isn’t the final formulation of the product – and submit that in lieu of actually doing the work that they needed to do and that’s always been required for vaccines as far as my whole career and that the world has all agreed that these are the way studies are supposed to be done. The regulatory authorities across the world basically allowed Pfizer to submit, I’m just gonna say it, junk data that wasn’t related to the actual vaccine and use that to justify going forward in humans.
Now in terms of the biodistribution studies, which is what you’re talking about in particular, those were not done well and they were done with other RNA’s including the RNA that encodes the protein that makes the firefly tail glow, which many people have gotten excited about the name of that protein which is luciferase. So yes, it refers to the Devil in some ways but in fact this is a protein that I pioneered its use in animals back in the eighties when I was at the Salk and that’s all it is, it’s the protein that makes the firefly tail glow, which causes light to be produced, which is easy thing to detect. But it is not the vaccine RNA.
So what they did in those studies that you’re referring to is they did look at the distribution of the fat part. There’s fats that are put around the RNA that allows the RNA to slip in the cells and those fats include things that are synthetic, they are made in a test tube, they’re not a natural product, they’re not something that your body would normally encounter. They are a « new chemical entity » is the formal words. So typically with a new chemical entity that we’re gonna inject to billions of people, there would be rigorous studies done about their safety, the biodistribution, how long that thing lasts and whether it might cause damage to the DNA – genotoxicity – or the ability of animals to reproduce – reproductive toxicology – so birth defects and other things. Normally that would be required.
What they did was very superficial experiments that were not well controlled. They didn’t meet the normal standards, they didn’t actually involve the actual drug product. What the studies that they did do show in rodents was that when they injected into a muscle in these rodents, the particles distribute all over the body, they don’t stay put, some of them do, many of them go to other places and they looked at whether the protein produced by the RNA – so this would be akin to the antigen – but they didn’t look for spike protein. Because they weren’t using spike protein mRNA, they were using firefly glowing RNA luciferase, and so they were looking for a light production from the various organs and then they also looked for where the lipid part went. The lipids go to the ovary and that was one of the things that caused a lot of people to say « This needs to be followed up, this needs to have more rigorous testing » which wasn’t done. They never forced them to do that apparently.
And oddly for the using the luciferase protein, there’s a lot of different ways you can detect that protein. And to detect it very sensitively, if you really want to ask the question, where is the protein expressed, what you do is dissect – when you sacrifice the animal – you dissect all the different tissues and you do a test tube assay that’s super sensitive. And you can detect exactly how much protein is made in all the different tissues in the body – the brain, gonads, whatever. They didn’t do that. They used the assay that is least sensitive, which is they take the whole animal, and they inject the substrate into the animal and then they look at how much light comes through the tissue of the animal by putting a camera above the animal. And you can appreciate that, these are photons, these are little – you know, you have some scientific background, you were talking about radiation. So the photons get diffracted and basically the light that’s detected by the camera above the animal is only from the areas that have the strong, strong levels of luciferase expression. So they biassed the results by using the least sensitive assay. It’s basically a parlor trick to get your publications, your picture on the front of science magazine but it’s just not a quantitative way.
And I find the whole thing amazing and shocking about what was allowed to get through, and perplexing. That regulators the world over allowed themselves to be fooled by Pfizer with this data package is profoundly discouraging because it means that the gate keepers that are supposed to ensure that you and I are protected, that your reproductive health is protected, that our children’s health is protected, they didn’t do their job. There’s no other way to put it.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Doctor, but we spend I don’t know how many millions a year to actually pay their salaries at the FDA and at the CDC, the world’s top experts, I assume, work there. And they would need to look at that data and see all these irregularities and they would see that it is grossly incomplete and they would still let it through?
Dr Robert Malone : Remember it wasn’t just the FDA and the CDC. It was also the European Medicines Agency, Japanese regulatory authorities. But there’s – again, forgive me for correcting you – but there are some assumptions of what you said, you said the world’s top experts. And that’s not what we have anymore in these regulatory agencies.
Veronika Kyrylenko : We would expect that.
Dr Robert Malone : We would hope that, right? We would hope that that would need to be protected or if not, that if people like me would have called Peter Marks at CBER, the branch that controls vaccine licensure and have a discussion with him about this finding and what was observed with this package, that Peter Marx would say « Maybe I got to listen to this guy, maybe it’s got something to say. And I ought to pay attention to it because he was the guy that came up with this technology and maybe he has some insights. » So I made that call, I had that telephone conference and Peter assured me that this would all be taken care of, that there was no safety signal to be worried about and that I should give him time to just let the regular process work through. So they completely… and I have other friends at the FDA that I had alerted about the potential risks with spike protein and that information from those lower level people, who are good solid scientist that I respect, was sent up the chain of command and the FDA was fully informed of that. And they believed that what I was alerting them to was not an important signal and there was no cause for concern.
So I did do my job of of saying « Hey my friends, please pay attention to these things » and the response I got was basically « Go away, we know what we’re doing. » But the truth is that they don’t have experts that are deep in this kind of technology and what they do do is they have checklists. So now you’re assuming – for instance let’s talk about the FDA just for a moment – you’re assuming there’s a deep level of competency there. The truth is that they pay about 80 percent of market value. And the people that work at the FDA up in Rockville are in a very expensive real estate market. So what you end up with is people that are kind of largely second grade. If they could make big money working for Pfizer, they would. And many of them do when they leave, right, like the former FDA commissioner Gottlieb, right.
Veronika Kyrylenko : That’s right.
Dr Robert Malone : There’s this revolving door and then they go out and do that. But most of the folks that are operational, that are reviewing these documents, they’re not the top tier scientists. They’re often foreign graduates, not US-trained. I don’t mean to be pejorative about scientists from other cultures but they’re here and English is not their first language. And the way that the FDA has come to work is, they have checklists and they apply the vaccines checklist which assumes that it is a more traditional product – a purified protein that’s injected with an adjuvant – and they didn’t apply the gene therapy checklist but in fact this is gene therapy technology applied to the indication of vaccines. And so the things that they would normally do for any gene therapy technology, they didn’t do because they said « Oh this is a vaccine. »
And so we assume that there is a deep knowledge and we imagine that there’s scientists pondering these difficult questions. In truth they’re kind of operational. And you spoke about Russia and you understand bureaucracies and that’s what we’re dealing with, it’s a bureaucratic environment driven by checklists and an administration pushing those people. I mean, one of the breakdowns that’s happened is the independence of the FDA no longer exists. Another one of your core assumptions is that we are paying for these people that are doing this review. That’s no longer true. They work for the pharmaceutical industry. They’re paid by the pharmaceutical industry. That’s who they work for. That’s where their money comes from.
How did that happen? Pharmaceutical industry lobbyists convinced Congress that they should stop having to have the American taxpayers pay for FDA review. They should put all those charges on to the industry. The industry was very glad to do that because now the FDA works for the industry. So thank you for your comments. Your comments kind of reveal some common assumptions that most people have about the way things are but they aren’t that way. What we have allowed to happen in the United States – and the world, as you said, believes, has believed up till now that the FDA and the CDC represent the pinnacle of integrity in regulatory affairs and research oversight for clinical products.
Let me tell you a story. I was in a group of scientists and physicians and politicians and thought leaders in Portugal a few weeks ago, when I was in Portugal. We did a round table. We took Q&A from the audience, about 50 people, selected people. One of the women in the front row said to me « We have always believed, we Portuguese, that the FDA and the CDC were the gold standard for research, for integrity and science. And what we have now come to realize is that they’re corrupt. » And when she said that to me, it hit me like that. I hadn’t ever thought about it that way and sometimes, you know, from average people comes true wisdom. And she said this and I realized what has happened. That in fact she is absolutely right and what we’ve allowed to happen here in the United States is a process. We use this word, regulatory capture. But it trivializes what’s happened. We’ve allowed industry across multiple regulatory bodies to control the whole decision making process. And examples that everybody will understand include the US Department of Agriculture. And the US Department of Agriculture has been headed up by former Monsanto leadership now for well over a decade across multiple administrations. Because the US Department of Agriculture has two jobs: it’s to regulate agriculture, it’s to promote agriculture. And the promotion of agriculture has become the more important job. The promotion of Big Ag.
Another example that we’ll all understand: you remember 737 Max? What a fiasco. People died, it was clearly a broken system. The federal aviation administration that we have believed in was protecting us and our safety has undergone regulatory capture by Boeing. Because it has the responsibility to both regulate aviation and to promote aviation and travel.
Now we go to the CDC. The CDC has two core missions that relate to vaccines: promotion of vaccine uptake and oversight of vaccine safety. And most of the money that they’re getting in this outbreak is to promote vaccines and so the people that are supposed to be monitoring safety are underfunded. No surprise then they don’t have the personnel and the time and the staffing and the capabilities to analyze the safety signals. But the promotion people are all over the media talking to CNN and everything else.
And then we come to the FDA. As I just said the industry has convinced the US legislature to shift the costs of regulating drugs to the pharmaceutical industry. This reminds me, I don’t know if you know the story of Br’er Rabbit and the Briar Patch. This is a common American Southern story. Br’er Rabbit is a character and he gets caught and he’s gonna get eaten by the wolf and he tells the wolf « Don’t throw me in that Briar patch, that would be horrible. » And in fact that’s where Br’er Rabbit lives, it’s in the Briar Patch. It’s like the pharmaceutical industry saying « Don’t make us pay » and then they own the FDA. So that’s kind of the situation we’re in and frankly we let it happen. The question is what can we do about it now and I’m not sure.
Veronika Kyrylenko : That was actually my next question. When and how do we step in because clearly, you say, the government and the CDC and FDA are so profoundly corrupt that they have this willingness to engage in what is actually human experimentation with this vaccine.
Dr Robert Malone : You’re dead on. This is the largest experiment performed on human beings in the history of the world and it’s being driven by, it’s being enabled by a regulatory structure that is not designed to protect us. It’s designed to protect the pharmaceutical industry and promote the pharmaceutical industry. And that pharmaceutical industry in the United States which charges much more money to us than it does to most other nations – our cost for our drugs is huge compared to most nations – they generate all this revenue and they use that revenue, it’s weaponized to control our legislature and to control our regulatory bodies.
And where do we go from here? There’s a short term answer and a long term answer. And forgive me but I’m gonna riff on this. Over the short term we all face this problem. We’re being controlled through fear. That’s another thing that’s controlled, it’s the media’s now all owned, the legacy media. We’re constantly bombarded by messages from CNN and The New York Times and The Washington Post and all of the standard outlets about how horrible this virus is and we’re all gonna die if we get infected from this.
And when I got infected in late February of 2020 and I was deep in the data and I knew exactly what was going on in China, I was afraid I was going to die. But this is way later. Now we know the statistics. We know that for almost everybody watching this, your risk of death or hospitalization is a fraction of a fraction of one percent. You’re not gonna… for most of you there’s no way you’re going to die from this. What you will do is develop natural immunity. So we got to fight that whole fear thing. And for our children, if your children are otherwise healthy, they have virtually a zero percent chance of getting hospitalized or dying from this virus. They have some really strong immune systems. So we got to fight that and then the truth is that we’re looking at Delta Plus moving into the population throughout the world this winter
Veronika Kyrylenko : Delta Plus?
Dr Robert Malone : Delta Plus. I just come back from Hawaii and just to illustrate the point, there are two monoclonal antibody cocktails available in the United States right now for early treatment. One of them is produced by Regeneron, the other is produced by some other companies. And the federal government notified Hawaiian Public Health that they would no longer allow importation of the other monoclonal antibody preparation into Hawaii because it was not active against Delta Plus and over five percent of the Hawaiian cases are now Delta Plus. And so they would only allow Hawaii as a state to buy the Regeneron cocktail because the other one’s no longer effective. Why? Because the virus has evolved to escape those antibodies just as it’s evovled to escape these vaccines. These vaccines are for a virus that is no longer circulating. They are what we call mismatched.
So the point is that this virus is evolving rapidly, Delta Plus is coming, it will sweep through our populations, what are we gonna do about it? Because that’s we’re at. It’s kind of a street fight right now and how do you protect your children? How do I protect my grandchildren? How do we protect our elders in particular? The people that are at high risk. And the only answer I can come up with, it’s not a vaccine, it’s not taking the third jab that’s got a whole… Every time you take another shot, you have all of those risks associated with that shot yet again plus the risk of actually suppressing your immune response. There’s a short term suppression and there’s a long term suppression. It’s not as simple as we’re being told.
So we have to come together and find solutions that are gonna protect us over the next few months. And I think there’s ways that we can do this but it has to be community-based. People have to be provided with information and you’re helping with that, with what you’re doing. But they can go on the various websites for early treatment and find information. There are over the counter drugs that if you take them early they can keep you out of the hospital. That’s we have to do is keep people out of the hospital, okay. And many doctors, Dr Zelenko gets a lot of credit for being one of the first, there’s two physicians in the Imperial Valley in California, they’re both older, they’re working way beyond what… They should both be retired at this point. And they’ve saved thousands and thousands of people in the Imperial Valley of California, largely the poor, largely farm workers – they’re not getting rich on this – by making available early treatment protocols, there’s very good staged early treatment protocols.
We need to set up networks so that we can call on people in our community and make sure they’re okay. Because one of the tragedies is we have old people who are feeble. They don’t have very good access to information the Internet. And they get sick, they try to go to the hospital, the hospital says « You’re not sick enough yet, go home and get sicker. » Think about this. « Go home and get sicker and then come back when your body is really damaged and we’ll admit you. In the meantime, good luck, you’re on your own. Let us know. » And these old people go to their home. They’re alone, they’re socially isolated and they die alone. It is such a tragedy. So let’s find ways to be able to connect to those people, follow up with them, make sure they’re getting contacted, make sure they have access to some of these early intervention medicines, make sure that everybody has information – and we can’t rely on the system right now in the main media to provide that information. They’re completely failing us.
But there are things we can do. Number one, don’t be afraid. Number two, get informed, get information. Number three, organize locally to make sure that you can help support your community so these people are not alone. And I think if we do that, we can get through this next wave.
Now the long term, the only solution is political and legal. The government is now lawless. They are doing things that are against the law and they don’t care. They believe that… I don’t know what they believe but forcing people to take an experimental medical product is illegal. It is in federal law, we call it the common rule, it is not legal. Forcing the military to take an unlicensed product and then re-labeling it, calling it the license product – […] military people are coming to me and telling me this is what they’re doing. Because there’s a law that the military cannot administer unlicensed vaccines to its personnel. This is a law that came out of what happened with the Desert Storm and the anthrax vaccine shots where a lot of military personnel were damaged. And they’re not allowed to give unlicensed products. So the President commands them to vaccinate the troops with an unlicensed product.
There’s a Colonel now in the Pentagon – who will retire soon so you don’t have to worry anymore, that’s why they picked him – they got a Colonel to write a set of orders that are clearly illegal that all military personnel have to be vaccinated with the vaccine that’s not licensed, which is illegal. And what they’re doing is they’re telling the military personnel « We’re giving you the licensed vaccine Comirnaty » but that vaccine doesn’t exist. And so the other thing they’re doing is they’re taking the Pfizer vaccine and they’re putting labels on it calling it Comirnaty – which is by the way a felony. They don’t care. The law is no longer relevant. We have a government that is out of control.
And the problem is – the lawyers are fighting this, I mean the lawyers are – like with all these mandates in the industry and academia which the government is forcing them to do by saying « Well, if you don’t vaccinate your people – like, if you’re a hospital manager – if you don’t vaccinate the people that work in your hospital, we’re no longer going to compensate you for Medicare, Medicaid. We’re gonna put you out of business financially. » If you’re an academic leader, you’re President of the university, you’re being told « If you don’t force all your kids, your students, to get vaccinated then we’re going to take away your federal grants and contracts. » There’s been a new policy put in place by NIH that if you want to have a federal grant or contract, you have to have everybody vaccinated. So that’s how they’re doing it. They’re doing it through financial coercion. And they’re doing it across the board.
And the problem that all these academics and these companies are going to face is that in this whole chain, the vaccine companies have been indemnified, the government is protected, they’re not gonna have financial liability. People are gonna get damaged and harmed. That will happen. And they have very little recourse for getting compensated for their damages, for hospitalization or whatever. Who are they gonna sue? The one group that is in this food chain that is not indemnified is the university presidents and the corporate leadership, etc. The phrase that’s used, you know, in Wall Street is « Who’s gonna be the bag holder? » It’s those guys and gals that are going to have to take the legal liability and I can tell you that the lawyers are lining up. This is like a gold rush for lawyers, you know. We’re going to be, I predict we’re going to be seeing little adverts on CNN at some point that instead of saying « Get your mesothelioma book », it’s going to be « Get your Civid damages book. » You know, the lawyers are going to have a heyday with this. The problem is that once these legal precedents get set it’s going to take about a year or two. It will go to the Supreme Court and these large organizations are gonna face massive class action suits.
The other one that’s happened – that’s really clear to me because of who I deal with, the information I get access to – there appears to be a clear pattern of suppression of early treatment options by people in the government. And we know these various drugs hydroxychloroquin, ivermectin and others, there has been a strategy to delegitimize this and we’ve seen it. It is most obvious in the ivermectin-as-a-horse-drug thing, that huge media push. And recall that was capped off by somebody in social media at FDA posting a tweet using the pejorative southern language « Don’t you know that ivermectin is a horse drug, y’all? » basically is what they said. It was really demeaning for people around me here in Virginia and in the South. It was totally inappropriate. There’s a email of Janet Woodcock congratulating the person that wrote that tweet for having done that and it set off this whole media storm on Rachel Maddow et cetera, pushing this grossly false narrative that ivermectin is a horse drug.
I love to say this in rallies and things so I’m gonna say it to your audience. There’s another drug that recent papers have clearly demonstrated is effective when administered for Covid disease early on. And it’s a horse drug, it’s another horse drug. It’s used by horses in veterinarians and in dogs. It’s called aspirin.
Veronika Kyrylenko : That’s unexpected.
Dr Robert Malone : So I’m sure we’re gonna find aspirin coming off the shelves but we all know that aspirin is really good for helping with blood clotting. And one of the problems with this vaccine is it triggers blood clots. So does the disease itself. And aspirin, it turns out, is effective. The drug that I pioneered, the stomach acid drug that’s sold as Pepcid is also effective. The scientific name is famotidine, that’s the chemical name, and we now have clinical trials starting, funded by Department of Defense, major clinical trials for the combination of Pepcid and Celebrex. Celebrex is an arthritis drug otherwise called celecoxib and there’s good scientific-backed basis for why these two drugs are used together to treat this disease both in the outpatient and the inpatient environments. And we’ve been given full clearance by FDA. DOD insists that everything for us, for repurposing drugs, everything is got to be done by the books. And so we’ve been through it, it’s taken a year and a half to get to this point but we’re now launching those.
So my point is only that there are a number of these repurposed drugs available and we’ve seen this coordinated attack by the mainstream media backed by Pharma and enabled by the FDA and the CDC and the NIH to take down these repurposed drugs that are off patent, incredibly cheap but compete with the drugs that Tony Fauci is now pushing that are being developed largely with your taxpayer money by Pfizer and Merck. And you’ll notice the absence of advocacy on the part of the federal government about the monoclonal antibody cocktails. Fascinating note, Ron DeSantis championed that as you’ll recall and what did the government do in response to his success down in Florida? They said « We’re gonna restrict your availability on these monoclonal » and woah! how does that make any sense? As I say, there’s just so many signs of deep corruption. But there are early treatments available, they are cheap, they’re effective but you have to get them on board early.
The last key point to hit: there is no rationale for vaccinating the children. None. There is no benefit to the children. With the exception of those that have significant pre-existing disease, there is about 400 children that have died with Covid, it doesn’t mean they died of Covid, since the beginning of the outbreak. Every single one of those had major pre-existing medical conditions. For healthy normal children that aren’t morbidly obese and don’t have cystic fibrosis or some other major pre-existing conditions, their chance of getting hospitalized or dying from this is, like I said, zero. But their chance of having damage to their heart is about six times their risk from the virus itself. It’s still small, don’t get alarmed, but it happens. And the damage that’s caused to the heart doesn’t go away. It doesn’t heal. It scars, okay? So who cares? So the hearts scars. Those scars create little areas in your heart. They conduct electricity differently. What that translates to in common language is an increased risk of cardiac arythmias. What cardiac arythmias incur is atrial fibrillation, ventricular fibrillation. These are things that cause you to die suddenly because your heart stops working because it doesn’t beat in a uniform way. We know that’s a risk of scarring in the heart. So when you hear these stories from the CDC « Oh, it’s mild myocarditis that’s going to the hospital », there’s no such thing as mild myocarditis in a child. And it doesn’t happen. It’s only happening after these vaccines and to some extent after the virus itself. So there’s no reason to vaccinate the children. Don’t do it.
Veronika Kyrylenko : So just yesterday FDA approved that Pfizer shots for children as young as five.
Dr Robert Malone : From a stacked committee, 7 of the 11 of which, or 12 total, won’t abstain, 7 of them had demonstrable ties to Pfizer. I mean the system is deeply corrupt.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Hence as another proof of the system being corrupt, even before the FDA met, the Biden administration last week, they officially announced that they have acquired 28.000.000 doses of Pfizer vaccines for children even before if it got approved. Even before it got to the commitee.
Dr Robert Malone : It’s a kangaroo court. I mean, you spoke of your background in Ukraine and the Soviet Union, that was your lead here. And as an individual you’ve experienced that personally, that kind of system. And I hear from folks that have been in the former Soviet Union or in Portugal, it was fascinating being there because they were under another authoritarian regime, Salazar. And the people that, you know… That only ended in the seventies so a lot of the adults and older people in Portugal they remember what authoritarianism is about just like, you know…
Veronika Kyrylenko : This is why it is so scary to see it happening here.
Dr Robert Malone : And then I was just giving testimony to the hassidic Jews. They have cultural memory coming from the Holocaust. And all of these people are saying « Look, wake up. These are the signs. These are the signs of creeping authoritarianism control. Pay attention. This is not normal, this is not okay. » And so I honor you for speaking out and in recognizing this and trying to warn people. I don’t know what has happened to our government. And the press has said for a long time that the threat of authoritarianism was gonna come from the right. But it hasn’t. It’s important to recognize. We culturally don’t like to talk about what happened in Germany in the 1930’s. But the Socialist Party was a left wing party in Germany that took over. To assume that authoritarianism is only going to come from the right is foolish, it’s naive. And we’re seeing it now.
And what amazingly we seem to have had happened is we’ve allowed the World Economic Forum, Bill Gates and the CIA shop basically located at Johns Hopkins to run a series of war games over years and years and years, come up with the battle plan of how to respond to a true highly lethal pandemic that for some reason has always ended up with authoritarian measures. You know, you put together a bunch of folks coming from that community and that’s what you get. And they’ve developed a battle plan, basically a response plan and they are implementing it. And what they’ve done is they have trained world leaders like the governor of California, like Justin Trudeau, like people from the central Communist Party in China, world leaders, the woman that is managing a lot of the pandemic response in Australia with rubber bullets, these are all people that have been trained in these war games that have been run at Hopkins. And they are not the intellectual giants of the world. They’re a bunch of bureaucrats and functionaries and they’ve been taught this process, this is what we’re gonna do.
Normally anybody trained in war, in the art of war, knows that your battle plan is only as good until your first encounter the enemy and then you have to adapt it. These people have never changed their battle plan based on the reality of what this virus represents. It is not a highly lethal virus and we do not have a highly effective vaccine. They don’t care. They got their little plan, it’s just like the FDA, they got their check list, « This is what we do next, this is what we do next ». And by the way a bunch of media leadership have been involved in all of those war games. Those are the people that we’re listening to on CNN, those are the people that are writing for The New York Times. They’ve all been indoctrinated that this is what we have to do, this is how we have to control the population, this is how we get out of the pandemic.
But the reality is completely different and that’s why you and so many others are looking around and saying « But, but, but this vaccine doesn’t work, it doesn’t protect us from infection. Why are we all being forced to take it in our workplace when it’s not going to ensure that our workplace is safe? Why are children being forced to take it? »
Veronika Kyrylenko : Pregnant women.
Dr Robert Malone : Oh, that’s a whole other can of worms. That is totally unjustified. We don’t have the data to show safety in pregnancy. So the common – you know, normal, I do wanna say common – people in the world, you know, we’re really all the same. Yeah I’ve had speciality training, you’ve had speciality training, they’re just different. And I committed a stupid long time to my training. But so I know things and I do things. It’s different from what you do but that doesn’t make us different, that doesn’t make me more special than you and it doesn’t mean that I have some super brain power.
People can see truth. They know it. They know it in their bones. They can sense that there’s something wrong here. Often they don’t have the framework, the words to think about it because this isn’t what they do for a living. They drive a bus or do other things, they’re policemen, they’re airline pilots. But they know that there’s something wrong here because the management that’s coming from the top on this doesn’t fit with what they know to be the ground truth. And that, I think, is the big, big question. Why? What is behind this?
Veronika Kyrylenko : What is behind this really? You say that they’re not flexible, they’re sticking to that scenario. Do you think it is because they are just being so very unadaptive bureaucrats? Is it because of their very conservative, in the bad sense of words, type of thinking? Or is it because they just simply got drunk on power and they really like this position when they can decide on life and death of millions of people?
Dr Robert Malone : Or they feel like they’re locked in. So I don’t know the answer, I’m not a psychologist and I can’t get inside of Tony Fauci’s head or Bill Gates head. I’m convinced that both of those people have distorted views of the world. They are not in touch with most people. They live in their own special reality of power and protection. They’re surrounded by sycophants that are telling them whatever they want to hear. They travel in international spaces on private jets with people that are like them and they don’t really deal with people like you and me that are out in the world doing things. And so now their authority is being threatened. They’re not threatened by me, I guarantee, and they’re not threatened by you. They’re threatened by facts. And the facts are inconvenient. And so what is their reaction? « We’re going to suppress the facts because they’re inconvenient, because they make us look bad not because… » What we’re encountering is people, I don’t think you could deny, we’re not encountering people who are committed to public health, to protecting you and me. We’re encountering people that are committed to defending their own privilege and their own perks and their own status. And it’s very much about them. I mean, how can you look at Tony Fauci and not realize it’s all about Tony.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Oh, yeah.
Dr Robert Malone : It’s all about Tony. And he’s constantly on the media, he has multiple… I mean, the guy is the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. What does he need 30 media people for? This is crazy. Why is he personally the only one allowed to speak of all the scientists at the NIH? Because it’s all about Tony. He’s been able to amass this massive amount of power and then you’ve got Bill Gates who has virtually bought the World Health Organization because of a series of circumstances. And then above all of that, you’ve got these four major investment firms that own all each other, like Blackrock and Vanguard. And all of these companies that are giving this messaging all over the world, the media companies, the IT companies, the pharmaceutical companies, all of this matrix that’s now horizontally integrated is really all divisions of one company.
What we’re seeing is the consequences of of consolidation of finances, of money and power globally. And that’s – we had the Sherman anti-trust act here in the United States to break up the power of these big blocks of capital. But what’s happened now is the capital is no longer constrained by nation state. These blocks of money are independent of countries. They’re more powerful than countries. They tell the US treasury what to do. They tell the US Federal Reserve what to do. It’s not the other way around anymore. They control economies. They can make or break you and I like that and everybody around us by making a financial decision. And they are amoral. They don’t operate in a world where they care about morality. They operate in a world in which all they care about is return on investment and we become pawns. We become just – the methaphor is being used, I don’t know of a better one – we’re like cattle. We are just economic units that can be moved about in whatever way to suit them. And they’re constantly looking for best return on investment. If they can get a better return on investment by doing something – manufacturing sugar or shoes or whatever, by going to Eastern Europe or to Vietnam or to China or wherever – that’s where the money will go.
The money is coming from what you do and I do – this sounds kind of Marxist but it’s fundamental – we’re the ones that are creating value. And they’re the ones that are drawing that value off in building their own huge economic portfolios and that’s what – in my mind – what’s really behind it. And the tool that they’ve used has been this series of war games, that they funded, and trained politicians on how to implement. And I gotta say, my thinking on all this was really, I resisted so strongly thinking about things in this way and I had many people coming to me and pointing out information about Klaus Schwab and the Great Reset and all this and I resisted that. I just didn’t want to think about that, it wasn’t possible. Then I read Bobby Kennedy’s book and I edited it twice. He asked me to help him with that. And when I finished that book I thought I understood what was going on in our government. I thought I understood what was going on in the NIH, with Tony Fauci.
The first time I read that book I was depressed for two weeks. Just realized how profoundly distorted everything has become. And that together with this comment from this Portuguese woman rocked my world. I was left aware that everything that I had assumed about the way things work and all the training I had received and the world, the way that I believed things were, that there were rules, that we all obey these rules, that these rules were designed to keep us safe and protect us and to ensure that there was equity and proper way of doing things, I realized that that was just grossly naive. And now intellectually I’m in a position where I don’t know what things look like on the other side. I don’t know what the rules are anymore. There don’t seem to be a any rules. It’s whatever those in power say is what goes. And you’ve lived under this system, you know what we’re talking about and you know where this goes.
Problem is, this would be great in Plato’s Republic where we have a benign benevolent dictator that is infinitely aware of everything and wise and profound. Unfortunately, we’ve yet to see that person. What we find is that people at the top of these authoritarian structures become corrupted. They’re not wise, they’re not fully informed and they end up serving their own interests and those around them and it happens again and again. We all know this expression « Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. » And I don’t know…
What I encountered in moving about in the world, if you’re doing all this travel and talking to people, Latin America, Europe, Asia. Many people have become very distrustful of centralized authority. And they’re seeking other ways. Some other way to organize ourselves and they don’t like communism – we’ve proven that doesn’t work. But they sure don’t like this kind of Central Command authoritarianism and kind of we-know-best collectivism that we’re now seeing play out, that’s coming, I mean… The term, after the French Revolution, of Jacobins, applies. This is kind of sophisticated political language you’re talking about. Many of current French leadership think of themselves as Jacobins. This idea that they know what’s good for all of us…
Veronika Kyrylenko : Greater good.
Dr Robert Malone : … and they’re going to implement it whether we like it or not. We’re seeing, in my opinion, the consequence of that kind of Jacobin thinking. That there’s an elite and they know what’s best for us and they’re gonna give it to us good and hard. I don’t wanna live in that world and I suspect you don’t or you wouldn’t be here…
Veronika Kyrylenko : No, thank you.
Dr Robert Malone : … and I think a lot of other people. But the problem is that they, these forces that are trying to implement this kind of strategy are highly coordinated. They’ve been planning this for decades. And the rest of us are kind of waking up slowly going « Whoa, what happened? I don’t get it, how did this all happen? » How do we end up with the media that was so coordinated censoring – I like to say and said in a rally in O’ahu last week – I said « Do you remember the time when we all felt sorry for the Chinese because their government was controlling their access to information, their government was controlling their Internet, their government was controlling what they could do, where they can move, their government was forcing them to have internal passports? Remember when we all felt sorry for the Chinese? Wake up because here we are. »
Veronika Kyrylenko : Don’t you think Covid-19 happened very conveniently and what’s your opinion on SarsCoV-2 origin?
Dr Robert Malone : I am increasingly convinced that the data are showing, and the sequenced data indicate that this was an engineered virus. Was it engineered through natural selection and passaging in animals and animal models that were engineered or was it engineered through molecular mechanisms like the CRISPR cas9 system? But it was engineered. And that’s the appearance. I have some unique insight into this – I think, a little bit unique, I’ve shared it before.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Is it confidential?
Dr Robert Malone : No, it’s not classified. I first shared it with Reiner Fuellmich group when they were asking me to testify in Germany. I was called by a CIA officer on January 4, who was in Wuhan, telling me I needed to get my group spun out because this virus was a major threat. He was there under cover of his Harvard Medical School appointment. He was in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019. His name is Michael Callahan. He is a CIA officer. He is one of our top experts in biowarfare. He has directed programs on gain of function research. He has held a senior position with DARPA. He was in Wuhan at the time and he was very familiar with what was happening with this virus. A month later he told me « We have looked at this virus and it has no genetic hallmarks of any kind of laboratory manipulation. »
Then about a month and a half ago, a very senior colleague of mine who is a GS 15, that’s a very high, that’s the civilian equivalent of a brigadier general, who works for DOD, called me. And I’ve known this guy since he was a postdoctor (?). He called me and he said « Robert, I want you to stop talking about Mike Callahan. He was not in China, he lied, we had no personnel there at that time. Now for me that’s a red flag, that’s basically saying, this is a high level government official in a defense threat reduction agency that I’ve worked with for decades telling me straight out to shut up and what I know from my own ears and eyes isn’t true.
Now the problem with that is that Michael went on the record with Science magazine and there’s a whole article about famotidine in which Michael talks about having been in Wuhan at that time. I know Michael escaped Wuhan, as the quarantine was dropping, by boat because he wasn’t authorized to be there by the Communist Party. And what did they do with him after they picked him up off the boat? He then managed the Diamond Princess outbreak and then he came back and worked for Bob Kadlec at ASPR and HHS overseeing BARDA. Were we involved in that? The documents are pretty clearly showing that that gain of function research in that Wuhan lab was funded by the NIH and was funded by DARPA – I mean, sorry DETRA, Defense Threat Reduction Agency – people that I work closely with.
And the thing about gain of function research, it’s called dual-purpose research. Dual-purpose research is classified by its very nature because it can be used – why is it called dual purpose research? – it can be used for biodefense, protection and knowledge but it can also be used for biowarfare. There’s another aspect to this that I mentioned to the Germans and people haven’t really recognized. There’s a hole in the biowarfare treaty, everybody needs to know this globally. The biowarfare treaty that was signed with the Soviet Union, by the United States government as a consequence of us developing highly lethal biowarfare agents that would stop tank commanders from the Soviet Union on a blitzkrieg before they got to the English Channel – that’s why we developed it. That treaty prohibits lethal agents. It does not prohibit incapacitating agents. And incapacitating agents are not blocked. The people that I work with know that incapacitating agents represent a major threat. And the converse is also true.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Would you explain that? What are those agents and how do they work?
Dr Robert Malone : Classic examples are the equine encephalitis viruses. They are readily aerosolized. You can inhale them. We’re developing vaccines and drugs against them and they can be deployed into a local area. And if you inhale them and get infected you get encephalitis, you get a brain infection. It typically doesn’t kill you but it makes you so sick that you’re not going to fight. So the new warfare, the New World is all about special ops. It’s about small strike teams. We’ve seen that SEALS and we hear these words. That’s where modern warfare is, it’s small strike teams backed by drones.
This is a new warfare. It’s not big tanks and armies and boom, boom. That’s yesterday. It’s small, highly competent strike forces that are able to be inserted to take out a tactical target in a tactical region or do whatever the task is and backed by drones of various types – there’s a whole spectrum of drones. I was with a security expert that does security for very, very wealthy people – you know, business leaders and stuff like that. The thing he’s most worried about is consumer drones as assassination tools.
That’s the new world we’re in and these kinds of incapacitating agents can be deployed by drone strategically to knock out threats within a region and then one can insert your strike forces to go do whatever it is they want to do.
The other threat that our government is very aware of is that by understanding the genetics of different populations or the races, it’s possible theoretically to engineer pathogens that will selectively target different ethnic groups. That’s the new horizon, that’s the new reality and we kind of got all get attuned to that’s what we’re dealing with is a totally different world in which biologic agents drones and other things and media manipulation, propaganda, control, censorship is all integrated to enable global power.
I mean, if you look at the Pfizer contracts […] and I’ve had lawyer friends that looked at those that went « Good Heavens, I can’t imagine that I would ever get terms like that, you know. I’m a slacker. Look at what Pfizer’s done, this is amazing. They’re leveraging governments! » What if you step back from that, look at it from above. What’s going on? It’s a new OPEC. Access to these technologies of rapid response vaccine development is being leveraged for geopolitical benefit. It is a new vehicle for exerting global economic and political power.
And the developing countries and the Middle East know it. They know they’re being had by the western nations. China knows it. China is busy trying to do a deal with Pfizer right now, by the way. The thing about the RNA tech is not these vaccines. These vaccines are just the entry point. The RNA tech makes it possible to make customized vaccines fast, based on genetic information. And the whole manufacturing process is standardised whereas with regular vaccines and regular biologics it takes a long, long time to develop a manufacturing process and release and testing and blah blah blah for a new product. With the RNA tech, basically just change the sequence inside the RNA and the whole rest of the formulation chemically, it stays the same. And that makes it possible to make these things really fast and it’s small scale. That is transformational. It’s transformational for personalized medicine, cancer but it also makes it possible to make customized vaccines on short notice. They can be deployed into small populations. If you think that the bad guys – metaphorically speaking – have come up with some new pathogens and they’re working on in this geographic area, it means that once you get a sample of that pathogen you can sequence it, you can generate a vaccine for it, you can vaccinate your special forces, they can go in and deploy and take out whatever that group is that’s building this new thing. That’s one version of that story.
Another version of that story is, if you want to come up with the new weaponized incapacitating agent then it’s really easy to make a new vaccine to protect the people that are going to deploy that strategically in to « fill in the blank » area. Now would our government ever do that? I can imagine. Has the CIA ever assassinated duly elected leaders in other countries? I don’t think I have enough fingers to count. So this is the reality that’s behind all this. And we need to wake up.
That was a riff.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Yes. Wow this is actually even scary to think about and yet, this reality, like you said, it’s unfolding before our eyes. But, like you said, there are strategies that people can use to try to resist. I know that the enemies are powerful and well organized and well funded. But there is a chance, like you said, organizing and informing people of a threat that they may be not even aware of. This is very important. And I believe that our conversation today was a step in that direction.
Dr Robert Malone : I hope so.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Yes, I really do. So thank you very much, Sir, for hosting us here in this beautiful day in your beautiful farm and thank for your candid and very strong arguments. We do appreciate it.
Dr Robert Malone : My pleasure. I think knowledge and information is the one thing I can help with. And I’m not gonna go lead. I’m not a leader of major protests and social movements. But I appreciate your willingness to provide an opportunity to share what I know and your interest in the topic and your leadership and as somebody in alternative media that is willing and able to provide information to people and let them make their own decisions.
Veronika Kyrylenko : Thank you very much, Dr Malone for this amazing conversation. This is Veronika Kyrylenko for the New American.